Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. Id be packing heat. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Those who think they can empty their Glock into a charging bear are fools. , .357 mag. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. Mountain lion facts. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. The Southern California man charged with shooting and killing a protected mountain lion this summer has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and was ordered to serve 240 hours of community service in . .38 Special is great . Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. wild boars the game warden. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). That being said, I would carry both. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. A California man has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and other penalties for the killing of a protected mountain lion over the summer. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. . A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. Just holes. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. She had gone out to get water and as she left she picked up her grandfathers .22 because up there you just never leave the cabin without a gun. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. My grandparents have a home on rockytop Tennessee, with a few caves. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. (altho I make and sell them) I want straight line complete penetration best offered by a hard LBT. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". # 3. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. No, they dont. Or even for butchering livestock. If I find it I will post it. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. Cork Grahams rig. Yea, a revolver and its speed loaders generally only hold 6 rounds each, but it can be reloaded very quickly. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. . Brutal to shoot, but effective. Why are you people just bubbling so much is it because you need to say something that means nothen in the real world. I like the S&W 460 as well. The 7 -inch barrel makes for a bit more cumbersome handgun, but the author feels the accuracy is well worth it. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? A 45 Long Colt? The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Packing out is much less distance here in Wyoming where we huntbut the bears here seem to have much less fear of humans than they did in Alaska. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. Traveling with several other people may also help discourage a bear attacking as they usually want the least confrontation unless it is a mother bear protecting her cubs. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, Its light and easy to carry.. A couple of quick .25s to the knee of your brother in law ought to make that possible. Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. I used them for too many years to be so. In Colorado, population estimates range from 3,000 to 7,000 mountain lions. I probably keep the fine folks at Magpul in business with my 50, 40 and 30 mag purchases. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. Great advice. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Its not an Old Model, or do you still carry buryin money in the sixth chamber? Most rangers will tell you a $50. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. hall county warrant list; delancey street rehab new mexico; frosty hesson wife brenda; atf agent tased; 3d dirt bike games unblocked; curt doussett birth date; , 2 2020. . Look it up. Mountain lion study highlights. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. Brown bear commonsense options: Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! Shoot, shovel, and shut up. That is a political and social problem.. We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. I shot that bear in the mouth without breaking a tooth on him cause he was popping his jaws whilst standing on his back legs trying to get thru the fence. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. Crossdraw holster. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. You have been reading to many comic books. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! About ten years ago I killed a threatening brown/black bear with a .357 from an SP101 snubby. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. Its a gun I have confidence in when The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. Once you get over 300gr. This one took exception.) I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. But, I still have the Marlin. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. You should just mount a 50 cal. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. 255gr. Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. is excellent. Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. The wife and I carry 7.5 Ruger Redhawks in 480 Ruger. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. Defensive purse swinging! The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. In any case, the uncle deserves commendation for shooting straight in a tense situation. I believe he used a 9mm. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . It was the first handgun I ever purchased.. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. The most significant differences between a jaguar and a mountain lion are their size, speed, and bite force. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. Absolutely. A study done by US Fish and Wildlife produced the following results. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. They called me to come over and look at the tracks. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. moose. Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. BTW seems like shooting an elk here is like ringing a dinner bell for the grizzlies. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. It did not take long to realize that the recoil of the .475 with 425gr. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. Somewhere in my Paper Archives I have the Professors commentary and a stages of a Bear attack and at what point in his own words .. it is time to Shoot the Bear. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! I heard that some hikers on Mt. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! Im not against revolvers. Seriously funny ! Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. 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